------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A SELECT FEW OF THE TRUCK RELATED EMAIL MESSAGES -- IN REVERSE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:57:10 -0700 From: Jim King Subject: GIGSVILLE: Truck Stops This only applies to people who are putting stuff on the Gigsville truck from LA: Ok, there is a little difficulty with the truck pick-up spots: Michael (our south-valley drop spot) is being forced to move that very weekend. So he can't act as a pick-up spot any more for us. Now the real question - do we need another one? Is there anyone that was going to drop off at Michael's who can't drop at one of the other spots? If so, contact me and we'll see about adding another spot. I'd prefer not to do so if possible, though. If you don't know where the other spots are, see the truck page: http://www.hitchhiker.com/gigsville/truck.htm -jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:12:24 -0700 From: "Jim King" Subject: GIGSVILLE: Truck pick-up spots I bet you didn't know that the Gigsville truck is where you can meet the hottest hunks and babes... That's right, we're talking about the truck pick-up spot! I've got truck money from the following: Robert and Linda, Sal, XT, Penfold, Playaland, Therm, HappyReb. I've got promises from: Lunar Umbilica, Trey, Glen, Temple of the Attenuated Waveform If you haven't paid, please do so! I'm out of pocket, and this is a BIG amount to be out. And if you aren't on the above list and you were planning on putting stuff on, NOW is the time to tell me. I'm starting to try to figure out how to get all the stuff on, and we're getting to the point that I can no longer say "we've got PLENTY of room" - instead I have to think about how new things would fit. The Pick-up =========== We'll be loading the truck on Friday the 28th, starting at about 4pm at my house and working our way north. So the Anaheim loading will be before work ends, but the rest should be after 6. The drop-off spots have the following rules - please follow them for the sake of the sanity of the people who have volunteered their houses: - - You can drop off things starting on 8/22 (Saturday). Please don't drop off earlier than that unless you make arrangements with the person who lives there. - - Call first! These people are as busy as you are, and it is likely that unless they know you are coming they will not be home. - - Everything needs to be there when the truck gets there. So don't plan on 'meeting the truck with your stuff.' Murphy's law says you'll probably miss us. Make SURE you drop off BEFORE Friday. - - After Burning Man, we will be driving down in the truck starting EARLY Tuesday morning. That means we'll be dropping stuff back off late Tuesday afternoon. Please plan to pick up your stuff ASAP. - - Anything that is not picked up September 19 (2nd weekend after we're back) becomes the property of the homeowner. He'll probably just throw it away. So be sure to pick your stuff up. That last rule is instituted because of the bad experience Eric Pouyoul had last year organizing the Blue Light District truck. His house was the only drop-off point, and some people didn't pick up their stuff for 6 months, using his garage as a storage shed. Of all the things involved in organizing a truck, that's the only thing he complained about. Rather not see that happen with us. So please pick up your stuff afterwards. If you can come down and help load, please do. We need all the hands we can get - especially up at Glen's in Lake Hughes where we'll probably have to unload half of it and completely reload. We've tentatively got 5 pick-up spots, although I still need to get info from two of them and permission from one. Here are the locations (paste the whole URL into your web browser to get a map - you may have to reconstruct it because of the line breaks): Orange County: Jim King 900 N. Zeyn St. Anaheim, CA 92805 714-284-0746 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=900+N.+Zeyn+St.&csz=Anaheim%2 C+CA+92805&Get+Map=Get+Map West LA: Bob Powell 3777 May Street Mar Vista, CA 90066 (310) 391-0339 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=3777+May+St.&csz=Mar+Vista%2C +CA+90066&Get+Map=Get+Map Los Angeles Valley South: Mike from Temple of the Attenuated Waveform (Gretchen volunteered him, so I still need to get his permission...) Los Angeles Valley North (near Sylmar): Michael Wilson 12536 Shafer Place Kagel Canyon, CA 91342 818-890-4810 http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=12536+Shafer+Place&csz=Kagel+ Canyon%2C+CA+91342&Get+Map=Get+Map Final Stop - Lake Hughes: Glen L'heruex (GLEN - GET ME YOUR ADDRESS!!!) Lake Hughes, CA 805-724-0146 I'll post these on the web site so they can be updated when all the info is complete. -jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff has to be picked up by the 9th, [at Bob's place] because I'm leaving on the tenth... - Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An excerpt From: "Bob Powell" Date: 8 Aug 1998 So I gave Jim King a $100 check to get all of the Playaland stuff up on the Gigsville truck, and out of that is $8 for 4 hay bales for our shade structure. Jim said he thought that we could use my place as a final pick-up/drop off point for on the 28th. A $100 may seem like a lot, but the overall cost of the truck is ~$1000 to Gigsville, and we are one of the main camps, so I thought that was a fair contribution. Also, remember that when I priced out trucks, if we rented our own it would have been at least $600-$700. All of our group Playaland gear has to be in my car port by Thursday night the 27th. All of it has to be picked up right after Burning Man as well, because I'm moving, and won't be able to store it for anyone. If there is stuff left behind after September 10th, it may get tossed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim King" To: "Bob Powell" , Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 04:39:08 -0400 Truck from LA to the Playa ========================== I'm putting together a Gigsville truck from LA. I think Bob had said earlier that he'd like to put the PlayaLand stuff on it. Being that I'm getting down to actually doing the organization of it right now, I need some info from you: 1. What you are putting on (size and shape) 2. How much will you give towards splitting the expense. We are treating the truck as "user split" meaning that anyone who puts stuff on it should pay, and hopefully we'll break even in the end. It's likely to cost us about $1000 plus gasoline. I'm figuring in general that $50 for each person who wants to put stuff on is reasonable. For a group with as much stuff as PlayaLand, you should probably consider yourselves to be several people and bear a proportional amount. If we end up with too much money, it'll go toward stuff for the village The details will follow when we have our drop-off points, but here they are as of now: - There'll be 3-4 drop-off points around LA where you can drop off stuff up to a week before we leave. - Glen (jet-fuel) and I will be loading the truck on Friday the 28th after work. That means we'll need lots of help loading so that we can get it all done before a ridiculous hour. - We're going to drive up Friday night/Saturday morning and unload, then pick up the hay and wood from Joshua's place. - After Burning Man we're going to drive back down and drop stuff off back at the drop-off locations. Everyone has a week to pick your stuff up. We don't want it left there - this was one of the biggest hassles for the people who did this for the Blue Light District last year (some people didn't pick up their stuff for SIX MONTHS!!), and I want to avoid that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim King Subject: RE: GIGSVILLE: truck going up to BM? Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:49:40 -0400 > In figuring the co-operative split it is probably the > simplest to combine the teeter totter list I sent together > with Bob's list as both are playaland, and then we can > figure out our respective costs. OK with you Bob? We'll burn that bridge when we get to it. I think the idea is to pool so that no INDIVIDUAL spends too much, but we'll tweak the plan such that it's fair to everyone. > And Bob, maybe we could even bring our stuff down to your > place to make logistics of getting it into the truck easier. > Just an idea. Good point to raise at this point. Being the first time I've done Gigsville, I've tried to learn a bunch from some brief conversations with the Blue Light District folks. They organized a couple of shared trucks last year from the bay area, and one of the things they said became a real problem was pick-up and drop off of stuff. So for us this year (learning from their mistakes), I think we'll want to designate a couple of drop-off spots thoroughout the LA area. These will places where people will drop off stuff to go on the truck, and pick it up later. That way we don't have to spend 2 days of the rental running all over the LA area running up mileage charges to pick-up and drop off stuff - we'll only pick up and drop off at those locations. A couple of rules to make sure the people who volunteer their houses don't get imposed upon: - We'll designate a drop-off time frame when you can leave stuff at the designated locations. Try not to drop off before. And if you drop off after, it won't get on the truck because it will already be gone. - We'll do the same after Burning Man. If you're stuff is left past a certain time period, it will go to the salvation army or some other worthy organization. (Eric Poyoul tells me he STILL had some people's stuff in his garage after 6 months. So this rule is made to avoid that situation.) That said, we need some people to volunteer houses. I figure one in each region is good. I can volunteer my garage as a pick-up point in Anaheim to cover the OC region. Others??? Remember as you volunteer that you're volunteering to store stuff for at least a couple of days here. -hitchhiker. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim King Subject: RE: GIGSVILLE: truck going up to BM? Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:52:44 -0400 > Excellent! Well, we may have quite a bit, but it should fit > into a truck easily: ... > - possibly 4 8'x4x4' retangular "towers" > (all these are "possibly" because we have to > finish deciding on our designs) This may be a problem unless they break down. If you are still designing them, see if you can design them such that they can be broken down into flat pieces to be assembled up there. Otherwise, 8'x4'x4' will take up a bunch of room. > - 2-4 wooden porch chairs THAT WILL --> NOT <-- GET BURNT > PEOPLE and a small table (sorry but I had to throw that in) Again, if these things break down that'd be better. But stuff like this is small enough that it should be OK either way. > - a 12 ft. ladder if we can put our hands on one That would be good to have. Do you mean a painter's ladder or a straight one? I have a 6' painter's ladder I can bring to aid in any construction. But if anyone has a larger one that'd be better. > How does that sound? Also how big is this truck and how much would you > like us to chip in? We're looking at getting a 24'. But we already have a couple of big items going inside - Barzilla, Glen and Scott's motorized canoe, and Harem Camp's giant satellite dish. That leaves plenty of room for small stuff packed around those items (including large flat things). But HUGE stuff may take some work to pack in. My concept is to simply split the cost, and ask for a little more from people who are putting huge items on. Eventually I'll take a look at how many people/how much stuff and let you all know. The worst quote I got was $1000. That means if we have 20 people splitting the cost it'll only be $50 apiece. (well, probably more to include gas). And we have a few ideas on how to get it cheaper, including a truck that was volunteered by Darryl Krieghoff last week. But I'm not sure if his is big enough yet - I need to hear back from him. I'll add up our numbers soon (maybe this weekend?) and try to give an estimate. -hitchhiker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:52:32 -0400 From: Bob Subject: Re: GIGSVILLE: truck going up to BM? Hi Jim! Jim King wrote: > > Someone on the list mentioned awhile ago that they had a big > > truck that they wanted to share going up to BM. Who was that, > > and is your truck full up yet? > > Some of us Playaland folks might want to share > > a truck rental up and back. > > The truck is not full yet. I'll put you down. How much/how big stuff do you > have? I'm currently planning on driving it up on the Saturday before, unless > Glen and Scott end up going earlier. > > -hitchhiker Excellent! Well, we may have quite a bit, but it should fit into a truck easily: - One honda or powermate generator 3000 Kw generator - one 15 ft tether ball broken down into 7 ft. sections - possibly one 15 ft swing, also in about 6 ft steel sections (and bolts, etc) - possibly tent poles for a shade structure at least 8 ft tall. - possibly 4 8'x4x4' retangular "towers" (all these are "possibly" because we have to finish deciding on our designs) - 2-4 wooden porch chairs THAT WILL --> NOT <-- GET BURNT PEOPLE and a small table (sorry but I had to throw that in) - 2 or 3 big balloon tanks of helium. - bikes? (I have one) - a 12 ft. ladder if we can put our hands on one Possibly some other miscellaney, like rope, parachute and camo netting, etc. How does that sound? Also how big is this truck and how much would you like us to chip in? Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:16:08 -0400 From: Dave Tonnesen Subject: Re: GIGSVILLE: truck going up to BM? How much stuff in the truck? Speaking for the teeter totter makers: * One teeter totter which will be in long pieces no more than ten feet long. More likely the maximum length will be eight feet. We will assemble on site. * One arm chair which is kinda bulky but rather light. I'm guessing it is about 3x3x3 feet in size. * One fiberglass cactus, the base about two feet by two feet and the total height of the cactus is seven feet. It very light but a bit fragile so it should probably go on top of the load. * One four foot diameter by 1/2 inch thick piece of particle board to be used as a community table. - Dave > From: "Jim King" > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:28:36 -0400 > > > Someone on the list mentioned awhile ago that they had a big > > truck that they wanted to share going up to BM. Who was that, > > and is your truck full up yet? > > Some of us Playaland folks might want to share > > a truck rental up and back. > > The truck is not full yet. I'll put you down. How much/how big stuff do you > have? I'm currently planning on driving it up on the Saturday before, unless > Glen and Scott end up going earlier. > > -hitchhiker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------